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Fortynickel
@fortynickelThe problem of comparing levels of toxicity this way is that it may seem like the lowest level is not thatttt toxic, when in fact it is.
It’s not to say that lesser levels of toxicity is fine but just pointing out that there is a good percentage of reasonable people on there compared to what I have witnessed in other fandoms. I’ve had some enjoyable discussions among people with different mindsets and been able to walk away without it getting personal. My gripe was mostly with the TFW mods for letting certain people skirt the rules at the expense of others, creating an “us vs. them” mentality.
There’s always going to be negativity because some are really aggressive in arguments, many are easily offended, and most want to determine winners and losers. I think it’s the in-between activities that helps reduce those tensions.
Those are some issues you have to consider Marcelo as this forum grows. What are the boundaries of arguments? What kind of references are out of bounds? What are the penalties for infractions?
Right now, all of us respect and enjoy each other’s retorts and sense of humor but as more join, it becomes more difficult to establish those types of relationships. Especially if those FB FT loyalists or the OCD collectors that want everything to strictly between the lines become members.
Marcelo, you should also be prepared to be called an FT shill trying to push an agenda for dalianjj and worse if your goal is to have your website flourish.
Just some of my thoughts. Sorry for being a party-pooper.
Christian
@christiancSeriously though, as bad as it can seem on TFW, I think it’s pretty tame compared to other fandoms. Watching some of these Original Trilogy vs. Prequel vs Sequel Star Wars fights is crazy. Or how Kevin Smith ruined people’s childhood because of the new “Masters of the Universe”. Everyone is just overly dramatic nowadays. We can’t just disagree over some trivial stuff and move on, everything has to be a holy war.
It’s not a coincidence that you just mentioned two of the series with the highest level of integration into the Alt-Right movement…
While I used to be big into Star Wars, I’ve really fallen out of it as a teenager and adult, but I did read a while ago that white supremacists take to it because a) fascists really love to weaponize nostalgia and b) the whole “magic blood full of Force bugs” thing really plays into the concept of Eugenics.
As for Masters of the Universe, anytime someone says something like, “I think we should probably stop sexualizing this cartoon meant for children,” these chapped boners always have to show up and make it abundantly clear that after white supremacy, being a friendless virgin who jacks off to kids’ shows is what they really do best.
Moose
@maraudingmooseThe only other online community I exist in is for hot peppers. There’s debate, but it never gets too heated or disrespectful. That said, I don’t disagree with @fortynickel. Having transparent rules make sense to me. I mean, as an alternative, you could always drop this…
two of the series with the highest level of integration into the Alt-Right movement
I can hear tucker carlson fanning those flames as I type
@fortynickelThe only other online community I exist in is for hot peppers. There’s debate, but it never gets too heated or disrespectful. That said, I don’t disagree with @fortynickel. Having transparent rules make sense to me.
I am in agreement with @Moose about have transparent rules because it just sets expectations and spells it out clearly so people know.
I think we should have a “Political Arena” should people really want to respectfully debate current issues without it spilling over into the main forum. I want to de-politicize (I know it’s impossible) the talk in the main forum as much as possible to allow us to have a momentary escape from the constant barrage at every level. Like utilizing nostalgia to push a political agenda, that’s just diabolical and utterly stupid because a lot of the messages emanating from those programs actually undermines their purpose.
Christian was the one who pointed out to me that our humor was changing the atmosphere of the threads here we participated. I know there were some who appreciated it and some who didn’t but it was entertaining and the feedback was refreshing. I hoping that we can maintain that kind of environment.
This isn’t about me though, it is just what I would like to see unfold here. Feel free to disagree because I am just tossing around ideas before we experience an explosion in new members and it all becomes chaos.
@christiancI think that the worst thing that could happen is to have mods or admins who actively push one political ideology while refuting others.
Whether we separate the major topics from posts or if it’s a full-blown, politically driven conversation at most times, the only thing that matters to me is making sure that some people’s ideas aren’t being given a megaphone while others are being drown out.
dpuff
@dpuffMy Political Views
A short-story by dpuff
The government sucks
The end
Marcelo
@adminThe only other online community I exist in is for hot peppers. There’s debate, but it never gets too heated or disrespectful. That said, I don’t disagree with @fortynickel. Having transparent rules make sense to me.
I am in agreement with @Moose about have transparent rules because it just sets expectations and spells it out clearly so people know. I think we should have a “Political Arena” should people really want to respectfully debate current issues without it spilling over into the main forum. I want to de-politicize (I know it’s impossible) the talk in the main forum as much as possible to allow us to have a momentary escape from the constant barrage at every level. Like utilizing nostalgia to push a political agenda, that’s just diabolical and utterly stupid because a lot of the messages emanating from those programs actually undermines their purpose. Christian was the one who pointed out to me that our humor was changing the atmosphere of the threads here we participated. I know there were some who appreciated it and some who didn’t but it was entertaining and the feedback was refreshing. I hoping that we can maintain that kind of environment. This isn’t about me though, it is just what I would like to see unfold here. Feel free to disagree because I am just tossing around ideas before we experience an explosion in new members and it all becomes chaos.
Yeah, I have some thoughts about this, but I am out for now, next week when I get back home, I will comment properly.
@christiancYeah, I have some thoughts about this, but I am out for now, next week when I get back home, I will comment properly.
I’m interested to hear what you guys think. Because while I think politics is in everything, I also don’t have much of a problem with trying to keep heated disagreements over it to a minimum.
The only problem I have is when one position is given priority and free reign over another, i.e. that girl who was allowed to go on and on about “trannies” while coming across a lot of people who all said that they were banned for even mentioning that they were non-binary.
Teletran-1
@teletran-1Can you really have any discussion of politics online without it devolving into disaster name calling? People would rather die or take horse medicine and go into a coma than get vaccinated. We can’t agree on facts anymore.
I agree though that sometimes it’s relevant to collecting and it’s also weird to just stop talking or ignore it.
So in conclusion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@christiancCan you really have any discussion of politics online without it devolving into disaster name calling? People would rather die or take horse medicine and go into a coma than get vaccinated. We can’t agree on facts anymore. I agree though that sometimes it’s relevant to collecting and it’s also weird to just stop talking or ignore it. So in conclusion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My man, do you know what the most laughable thing is though? When you hear those same people taking ivermectin then turn around and start saying, “THIS IS JUS LIEK 1984! GOERGE ORWELL WAS SO RIHGT!!!”
Do you realize how stupid someone has to be to cite a book written by an actual, antifascist, democratic socialist who enlisted specifically to fight an authoritarian regime in order to support a right-wing, authoritarian election overturning.
@adminOk, I am still thinking about the rules thing, but let me just start with some general comments:
- I’ve moderated the biggest technical forum on the internet (for regulations and things like that) for some years, so I do have a good grasp on what moderation is (and what it takes);
- I don’t think that a lot of rules solves any problems. Basically, we are all adults here, so you cannot behave, I don’t think it’s a forum (or moderators) that will make you do that;
- I think it’s important to be very transparent about the few important rules and implications;
- In a general way, I think that the most important rules are “do not be toxic” and “don’t write something that would hurt people that do not have your line of though”, or something like this;
- I don’t see a reason to have a “political arena”because I think these kind o opening defeat the purposes of a forum. For example, the focus on the forum here is Fanstoys products – we can and should accept any comment is general (that is not toxic nor hurt people), and I myself don’t have a problem if we go into a detailed tangential discussion of anything. However, some topics (such as politics and the like) turns antagonistic very easy, so it would be better we participants refrain from that most bickering aspects (and the mods could warn in general if they think things are going too much in a bad way);
- And more important than anything: although I mentioned my thought above, and I maintain the forum, my understanding is that a discussion forum is made by the participantes, not the “forum owner”. So I will basically anything we as a group think are good for the continuing discussions.
@dpuffUnpopular opinion maybe but I really don’t see what politics has to do with toys. Yes i know policies made by those in power can affect how much we pay and how difficult it can be to get them etc. But debating over who is a better politician or which policy is right or wrong is pointless in a toy forum. None of us are going to affect any kind of change and these things are sposed to be an escape from everyday bullshit like politcs. Bringing that convo here just defeats the purpose of having fun which is what i was under the impression this forum was goin to be for, along with the usual toy talk(release dates, pricing, qc, etc). Bottom line all we are doing by inviting that kind of convo into the fold is inviting more arguments and more “us vs them”. I’ll pass thanks
@christiancA lot of forum rules absolutely lends itself to worsening problems.
As for discussion of politics in the realm of toy-collecting, I think that this thread is a perfect example of why it shouldn’t be a taboo, but should also be done in a particular way: discussing what is happening versus what is making it happen are two very different things.
The best example of this that I could give would be that the first looks like:
“Post office delays around here have been particularly bad ever since the budget cut-downs from this administration went into effect.”
While the second one looks like:
“That’s what I’m saying is that these fucking snowflake voters keep pulling this bullshit to take away our freedumb!”
It’s really easy to discuss how politics affect everything – because they do, even online commerce – without making the heart of the discussion/criticism about the people reading it. The problem with doing away with all politics is that, in my eyes, having Covid-19 isn’t a political issue while a person getting a DUI is.
@dpuffI get what ur saying. Adults should be able to have open respectful convos about anything. Problem is that this is rarely the case and when politics are involved that gets amplified. By allowing it at all it will inevitably turn into an argument like it always does no matter how well intentioned. Why invite that into a forum that was created to get away from that kind of stuff? Its a bad idea and not something i look forward to seeing. That said. Its not my site to run and i dont have to engage in the conversations so it really doesnt matter to me. Just throwing my two cents in. 😉
@christiancI get it. But if a few years of dealing with other collectors has taught me anything, it’s that eliminating politics will not prevent them from arguing in a bitter, tribalistic and personal manner… It might just narrow the amount of perspective or nuance people include in their relentless pursuit of pwning the XTB fanbois or convincing a stranger that Bobby Skullface’s Dragstrip comparison video was biased against DX9.
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