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@adminThe best example of this that I could give would be that the first looks like: “Post office delays around here have been particularly bad ever since the budget cut-downs from this administration went into effect.” While the second one looks like: “That’s what I’m saying is that these fucking snowflake voters keep pulling this bullshit to take away our freedumb!” It’s really easy to discuss how politics affect everything – because they do, even online commerce – without making the heart of the discussion/criticism about the people reading it. The problem with doing away with all politics is that, in my eyes, having Covid-19 isn’t a political issue while a person getting a DUI is.
My view is that the problem with the examples is they both seem to be personal opinions (because although the first one seems more contained, the correlation/causality of both events is a opinion) and these are usually the problem in discussion, because them people feel the need to put their own opinions, and usually it goes down the hill after this.
@adminI get what ur saying. Adults should be able to have open respectful convos about anything. Problem is that this is rarely the case and when politics are involved that gets amplified. By allowing it at all it will inevitably turn into an argument like it always does no matter how well intentioned. Why invite that into a forum that was created to get away from that kind of stuff? Its a bad idea and not something i look forward to seeing. That said. Its not my site to run and i dont have to engage in the conversations so it really doesnt matter to me. Just throwing my two cents in. ?
I agree that we are trying to avoid that kind of stuff. When I mentioned the political stuff, I was thinking more in line that: we need to discuss transformers here, and that should be the focus. Anything that goes out of the focus (and this include political discussions, discussion on personal opinions of products, and the like) will not be explicitly banned, but are not welcome and will be controlled under participants/moderators discretion.
Also, as I mentioned above, you may not run the site, but my motto is that a forum is made by the participants. I will do anything the group think is better, not the other way around.
dpuff
@dpuffI will do anything the group think is better, not the other way around.
thats why we love you Marcelo 😉
Fortynickel
@fortynickelA lot of forum rules absolutely lends itself to worsening problems. As for discussion of politics in the realm of toy-collecting, I think that this thread is a perfect example of why it shouldn’t be a taboo, but should also be done in a particular way: discussing what is happening versus what is making it happen are two very different things. The best example of this that I could give would be that the first looks like: “Post office delays around here have been particularly bad ever since the budget cut-downs from this administration went into effect.” While the second one looks like: “That’s what I’m saying is that these fucking snowflake voters keep pulling this bullshit to take away our freedumb!”
I can agree with what Christian posted here. The first example is just something reflecting the reality we face to have a baseline for discussion. As we have seen in our previous engagements, they can be pretty enlightening and entertaining.
The second example is reflects the mentality that I abhor because there are people who just exist to troll. And my favorite response after that is that people are just too easily offended and they should be able to say things however they want.
I am not in favor off too many rules either (At least until our sponsors tosses us some money, discounts or free figures).
Christian
@christiancMy view is that the problem with the examples is they both seem to be personal opinions (because although the first one seems more contained, the correlation/causality of both events is a opinion) and these are usually the problem in discussion, because them people feel the need to put their own opinions, and usually it goes down the hill after this.
I don’t think that personal opinion on these topics is a bad thing. There’s even a complex legal concept about when an opinion can be so steeped in truth that it becomes fact. For example, if I said, “Climate Change is progressively becoming a larger problem” and somebody else said, “It’s my opinion that it isn’t,” that second opinion isn’t nearly as steeped in truth as the first, and the factual basis of the theory makes the statement true, just on a relative basis.
Is it a bigger problem than every single other for every single person? Maybe not. But absolutism is rarely the case.
Anyhow, I think that the idea of what is or isn’t political is too much of an opinion in and of itself that even saying “No politics!” is a political opinion…
For example: can we discuss American football? Because that is just fun for me because I gamble on it… But holy fuck, is it a political calculus for a large portion of the country.
Anyhow, @dpuff, @admin, @fortynickel, I trust you guys to set the rules because even if we were to take opposing views on this discussion, I still don’t think that any of you are tribalistic dipshits who would let one person get away with murder while handing out jaywalking tickets to another.
@fortynickelAnyhow, @dpuff, @admin, @fortynickel, I trust you guys to set the rules because even if we were to take opposing views on this discussion
Wow, Christian trusts us. While I am flattered, I’m not sure it’s a good idea to put any faith in us (By “us”, I mean Dpuff and I. Marcelo a solid adult.) We couldn’t even maintain a thread for three days before chaos ensued and banishments were handed down.
@adminMy view is that the problem with the examples is they both seem to be personal opinions (because although the first one seems more contained, the correlation/causality of both events is a opinion) and these are usually the problem in discussion, because them people feel the need to put their own opinions, and usually it goes down the hill after this.
I don’t think that personal opinion on these topics is a bad thing.
I agree, but what I was trying to to say is that, from my experience, what usually causes bad discussions is that most people see that “persons opinion” as a “personal attack on my own opinion”. If people were used to be a little more objective in discussion, we would not have that much problems. But most people can’t do that.
@adminTaking the discussion that we had here into account, my suggestion is that we have initial general rules such as these:
General rules:
- The focus of the forum is discussion of Fanstoys transformers.
- We hope everyone here is an adult, and we expect that everyone behaves as such
- Do not be toxic
- Don’t write something that would hurt people that do not have your line of though
- Prohibited topics: No Insults, Trolling, Flaming, Name Calling, Harassing, Gore, Porn, or Sexual Content.
- Sensitive topics such as politics are not directly prohibited, but we expect that that are discussed with discretion and following the rules above. Also, it’s important to always remember the focus in 1.
- The rules are created and followed the community. The site owner and moderators are here to serve the community in following these rules.
@christiancThese are really good. The underlying point seems to be that with the exception of specifically prohibited topics like violence and sexual content, the real issue is how you talk about what you talk about. That’s a good threshold.
Posting thoughts I may have had on a trip to a Holocaust museum isn’t the same thing as opening up a “Are they lying to us about Dachau?” thread.
@adminTaking the discussion that we had here into account, my suggestion is that we have initial general rules such as these: General rules:
- The focus of the forum is discussion of Fanstoys transformers.
- We hope everyone here is an adult, and we expect that everyone behaves as such
- Do not be toxic
- Don’t write something that would hurt people that do not have your line of though
- Prohibited topics: No Insults, Trolling, Flaming, Name Calling, Harassing, Gore, Porn, or Sexual Content.
- Sensitive topics such as politics are not directly prohibited, but we expect that that are discussed with discretion and following the rules above. Also, it’s important to always remember the focus in 1.
- The rules are created and followed the community. The site owner and moderators are here to serve the community in following these rules.
@fortynickel, @dpuff, @maraudingmoose, any comment?
@dpuffHahaha I replied yesterday but didnt hit submit…der dee der. Yeah im down with all that. Totally reasonable. Be alot simpler if we could just put rule 1….don’t be a dick. Rule 2….see rule 1. But i know some ppl need things spelled out for them and u did a great job of that imo.
Moose
@maraudingmooseLooks good to me. Hits the just-be-respectful nail on the head
@maraudingmooseLooping back a few pages to the selling figures bit. Thinking about offloading a few of mine.
For those that have have sold figures, what site do you use to list them? How do land on a price? Any best practices you can share?
@dpuffJust ebay or mercari for me. Used fb back in the day but….its fb. To get a close to accurate price go by ebay sold auction prices. I tend to mark mine up a little and wait to see what the market does while gaining interest in what i have. I always do best offer too just bc i like making deals. Keep in mind both ebay and mercari charge fees. Ebay is like 10%. Not sure about mercari but when u put a price in they calculate it for you before u list. It helps to know package details too. Size and weight will help determine how much to charge for shipping. I dont sell alot of tfs and don’t look to make a killing off of anything. As long as i can break even on a figure im swapping out or am just not that into im usually good. Have taken losses too but it depends alot on how long ive had whatever it is. If its something ive been able to enjoy and it played its part until something better came along then i dont mind. Take lots of pics and give as many details as possible and of course pack the livin hell out of whatever it is. U dont want to have to deal with returns.
@fortynickelTaking the discussion that we had here into account, my suggestion is that we have initial general rules such as these: General rules:
- The focus of the forum is discussion of Fanstoys transformers.
- We hope everyone here is an adult, and we expect that everyone behaves as such
- Do not be toxic
- Don’t write something that would hurt people that do not have your line of though
- Prohibited topics: No Insults, Trolling, Flaming, Name Calling, Harassing, Gore, Porn, or Sexual Content.
- Sensitive topics such as politics are not directly prohibited, but we expect that that are discussed with discretion and following the rules above. Also, it’s important to always remember the focus in 1.
- The rules are created and followed the community. The site owner and moderators are here to serve the community in following these rules.
I think these are fine. I’d just like to add #8: @Dpuff buys us lunch every other Friday until Bandit is released.
(Pssst…dalianjj, take your time.)
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